arXiv · 2609.39487
Hagendorf Orders
Abstract
Call a linear order type $φ$ Hagendorf if it shares two properties with additively indecomposable ordinal numbers without being one itself: $φ$ is strictly indecomposable to the right and whenever $ψ< φ$, then $ψ$ can be embedded into a proper initial segment of $φ$. In the 1970s, J. Hagendorf asked whether such types exist. F. Galvin observed that they must be uncountable, and soon thereafter, J. Larson proved that they cannot be scattered. We provide a simplification of her argument that might give additional insight into the $σ$-scattered case. We then show that consistently Hagendorf types exist and that this holds in many models of set theory, for instance under $\mathsf{BA}$ or $\mathsf{MA}_{\aleph_1}$. In fact, their non-existence has large cardinal strength. Furthermore, we construct real Hagendorf types from $\diamondsuit$ and from $\mathsf{PFA}$. This marks the first progress on this interesting problem since its description by Larson four dozen years ago.
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Jonathan Schilhan, Thilo Weinert. 2026-09-30. Hagendorf Orders. https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.39487
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