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A Refresh Interval Does Not Fully Specify a Refresh Schedule: Learning-Rate-Dependent Placement in Kronecker-Preconditioned Language Model Training

Xinyu Wang·Zhiwei Zhai·Yu Gu·Zijun Yu·Sicheng Lyu·Jingrui Tian·Lei Ding·Ziyang Song·Xiao-Wen Chang
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Kronecker-preconditioned optimizers recompute a cached curvature eigendecomposition only periodically, and implementations and adaptive methods control this through the refresh frequency. We show that frequency leaves part of a schedule free: at a fixed number of refreshes, when they occur changes held-out loss at the same compute. Training GPT-style models with the Mousse optimizer across model sizes, we move the middle refreshes of a four-refresh schedule while fixing the first and last. On FineWeb the two placements exchanged rank as the learning rate rose (later placement was better at low rates, earlier placement at high ones), so a single-learning-rate comparison can report either ranking. The reversal held under controls including the published optimizer internals, and placement still mattered at the published refresh density. The learning rate at which the preference flips fell with model size, consistent with a held-out smaller model, and shifted with training length. A spectral-width staleness score predicted the same ranking at every learning rate and missed the reversal. Refresh schedules should be reported in full and compared across the learning rates at which they will be used.

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Xinyu Wang, Zhiwei Zhai, Yu Gu, Zijun Yu, Sicheng Lyu, Jingrui Tian, Lei Ding, Ziyang Song, Xiao-Wen Chang. 2026-10-13. A Refresh Interval Does Not Fully Specify a Refresh Schedule: Learning-Rate-Dependent Placement in Kronecker-Preconditioned Language Model Training. https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.18695

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