Does mesoscopic disorder imply microscopic chaos?

Peter Grassberger; Thomas Schreiber

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Does mesoscopic disorder imply microscopic chaos?

Peter Grassberger·Thomas Schreiber

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We argue that Gaspard and coworkers do not give evidence for microscopic chaos in the sense in which they use the term. The effectively infinite number of molecules in a fluid can generate the same macroscopic disorder without any intrinsic instability. But we argue also that the notion of chaos in infinitely extended systems needs clarification: In a wider sense, even some systems without local instabilities can be considered chaotic.

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Peter Grassberger, Thomas Schreiber. 1999-09-15. Does mesoscopic disorder imply microscopic chaos?. https://arxiv.org/abs/chao-dyn/9909021

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