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Flavia Dell'Agli

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arXiv2026

The applicability of the JAGB method for measuring the distance of galaxies subject to different metal enrichment rates

The JAGB method has been proposed in recent years as a possible distance indicator for galaxies in the Local Group and beyond. However, the nature of the stars populating the J region, and the conditions required for the direct application of this method, still need to be clarified. We investigate the robustness of the JAGB method through a detailed theoretical analysis of the stars populating the J region of the (J-Ks, J) diagram. The main goal is to identify the properties of the corresponding J luminosity function (JLF) that are minimally affected by the previous evolutionary history of the host galaxy, particularly its metal enrichment history. We use a population synthesis approach based on AGB stellar evolution models coupled consistently with dust formation in the stellar wind. Synthetic stellar distributions in the (J-Ks, J) diagram and the related JLFs are calculated for different assumptions on the metallicity evolution of the interstellar medium, in order to study how the JLF depends on the efficiency of metal enrichment. We find that the JAGB population is dominated by stars formed between about 1 and 6 Gyr ago, while stars formed outside this interval contribute only marginally to the JAGB region. The shape of the JLF strongly depends on the metal enrichment history, and the position of the J-band peak varies by more than 0.3 mag among the different cases explored. Conversely, the mean J-band magnitude, MavJ, is much less sensitive to the previous history of the galaxy and therefore represents a more reliable distance indicator. For all the cases investigated we find MavJ = -6.2 +/- 0.05 mag. We also discuss the uncertainties related to the still poorly constrained mass-loss process experienced by low-mass stars during the red giant branch phase.

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arXiv2026

The role of mass loss in constraining quenching time in dwarf galaxies from AGB and RGB star counts

The capability of reconstructing the past star formation history of dwarf elliptical galaxies out of the Local Volume relies on modelling bright stellar populations currently evolving through the red giant branch (RGB) and the asymptotic giant branch (AGB) phases. Recent studies proposed the use of the relative fractions of RGB and AGB stars populating specific boxes in the observational colour-magnitude plane to infer the epoch within which 90\% of the stellar population of the galaxy formed (T90). We aim at understanding the physical process of stellar evolution that are constrained by the relationship between the relative fraction of AGB and RGB stars of dwarf galaxies and the T90 epoch. We use updated stellar models that include the description of dust formation in the wind, to undertake a population synthesis approach, to allow monitoring the variation of the NAGB/NRGB ratio with time. The effects of some specific ingredients, such as the mass loss experienced by low-mass stars during the RGB phase, and the details of the time variation of the star formation rate, are extensively explored and tested against data. The mass lost by low-mass stars during the RGB evolution proves the most relevant ingredients affecting the time variation of NAGB/NRGB: at metallicities ~ 1/10 solar, a mass loss ~ 0.25Msun is required to reproduce the observations. This analysis allows to derive a relationship between NAGB/NRGB and T90, with a ~ 1 Gyr uncertainty on T90.

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arXiv2025

FEAST: JWST/NIRCam view of the Resolved Stellar Populations of the Interacting Dwarf Galaxies NGC~4485/NGC~4490

We present new JWST/NIRCam observations of the interacting dwarf galaxy system NGC 4485/NGC 4490 (a.k.a. Arp 269), obtained as part of the Cycle 1 Feedback in Emerging extrAgalactic Star clusTers (FEAST) program. NGC 4485 and NGC 4490 form the closest known pair of interacting late-type dwarf galaxies (at $\sim 7.4$ Mpc), excluding the Magellanic Clouds. Near-infrared color-magnitude diagrams (CMDs) reveal a wide range of stellar populations in both galaxies, including young ($\lesssim 200$ Myr) upper main sequence stars, core helium-burning stars, and oxygen-rich asymptotic giant branch (AGB) stars. We also identify intermediate-age ($\sim 200$ Myr -- $1$ Gyr) carbon-rich AGB stars and a well-populated old ($\gtrsim 1$ Gyr) red giant branch (RGB). The CMDs show two distinct bursts of star formation beginning $\sim 30$ Myr and $\sim 200$ Myr ago, the latter consistent with the most recent pericenter passage predicted by N-body simulations. The spatial distribution of stars reveals a tidal bridge extending from NGC 4485 and connecting to the disk of NGC 4490. Compact star-forming regions are seen along NGC 4490's spiral arms, possibly originating from its infrared nucleus. A significant metallicity gradient is observed in the young stellar populations forming the bridge. These findings suggest that during the last pericenter passage, gas was stripped from NGC 4485 via tidal forces or ram pressure, accreted by NGC 4490, and mixed with in-situ material, fueling ongoing star formation. This system provides a unique nearby laboratory for studying how tidal interactions shape the star formation and chemical enrichment history of dwarf galaxies.

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arXiv2025

FEAST: probing the stellar population of the starburst dwarf galaxy NGC4449 with JWST/NIRCam

We present new JWST/NIRCam observations of the starburst irregular galaxy NGC 4449, obtained in Cycle 1 as part of the Feedback in Emerging extrAgalactic Star clusTers (FEAST) program, which we use to investigate its resolved stellar populations and their spatial distributions. NGC4449 NIR color-magnitude diagrams reveal a broad range of stellar populations, spanning different evolutionary phases, from young main sequence stars, to old red giant branch stars and asymptotic giant branch (AGB) stars. The analysis of their spatial distributions shows that younger (< 10 Myr) populations form an S-shaped distribution aligned with the galaxy's north-south axis, while stars aged 10 - 60 Myr show shifting concentrations from the north to the south, consistent with the possibility that external interactions or tidal effects may have triggered star formation in spatially distinct bursts. Clusters of comparable ages generally follow these distributions, suggesting that cluster and field stars form at the same pace in each galaxy region. Thanks to the unprecedented high-spatial resolution and sensitivity of the JWST data we recover a clear gap between Oxygen-rich and the carbon star branch of the AGB population and the presence of a massive AGB star "finger". The analysis of these stars can provide constraints on AGB evolution models and dust production in this galaxy. These results confirms NGC 4449 status as a compelling example of a local dwarf starburst galaxy undergoing complex and possibly external driven star formation and underscore the power of JWST in probing the full lifecycle of stars in nearby starburst systems.

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arXiv2025

A study of Andromeda to improve our knowledge on the evolution and dust production by AGB stars

We study the AGB population of the galaxy M31, based on available HST and Spitzer data, to characterize the individual sources in terms of mass, metallicity and formation epoch of the progenitors. Particular attention is dedicated to the derivation of the dust production rate of the stars, in the attempt of determining the global current dust production rate of the galaxy, divided between the silicates and the carbonaceous dust contributions. We use results from stellar evolution modelling complemented by the description of the dust formation process in the wind, to be used in a population synthesis approach, based on the star formation history and age-metallicity relationship obtained in previous investigations. The comparison between the results from synthetic modelling and the data available are used for the characterization of AGB stars in M31. We find that the bulk of the AGB population of M31 is composed by low-mass stars of different metallicity formed between 6 Gyr and 14 Gyr ago, with an additional, significant contribution from the progeny of 1.7-2.5Msun stars formed during the secondary peak in the star formation, which occurred between 1 and 2 Gyr ago. The dust production rate of the galaxy is mostly provided by carbon stars, whose contribution is of the order of 4x10^{-4} Msun/yr, completed by silicates production from massive AGB stars, occurring at a rate of 6x10^{-5} Msun/yr. The implications of the present results on the reliability of AGB modelling are also commented.

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arXiv2024

Survey of extended Main Sequence Turn-offs in Galactic Open Clusters: Stellar rotations from Gaia RVS spectra

The origin of extended main-sequence turn-offs (eMSTO) in star clusters younger than 2 Gyr still challenges our current understanding of stellar evolution. Exploiting data from Gaia Data Release 3 (DR3), we investigate eMSTOs in a large sample of 32 Galactic open clusters younger than 2.4 Gyr. We first validate Gaia rotational velocities from Radial Velocity Spectrometer (RVS) spectra by comparing them with literature values and assessing their correlation with magnetic activity measurements from LAMOST spectra. We detect a general positive correlation between turn-off color and projected stellar rotation, with slow-rotating stars predominantly found on the bluer side of the turn-off. Comparing our observations with theoretical models, we find that the eMSTO morphology is well-reproduced by a single population formed with a high rotation rate, and observed with rotation axis inclination ranging between 0$^\circ$ (pole-on) and 90$^\circ$ (edge-on). This contrasts with observations of Magellanic Clouds clusters, where a population of non-rotating stars appears to be ubiquitous in clusters younger than 700 Myr. However, we note that our interpretation, while successfully explaining the overall eMSTO morphology, cannot fully explain the observed projected rotational velocities. Additionally, two young clusters, NGC 3532 and NGC 2287, exhibit moderate evidence of a split main sequence in color and rotation, suggesting a possible small spread in the initial rotation rate. Finally, we advise caution in determining the ages of young clusters from non-rotating isochrones, as neglecting the effects of stellar rotation can impact the isochrone dating by up to factors of 5-20%.

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arXiv2024

Planetary Nebulae of the Large Magellanic Cloud I: A multiwavelength analysis

Planetary nebulae (PNe) have three main components: a central star (CS), ionised gas and dust in the nebula. Each of them contains critical chemical fingerprints of their evolution, serving as tracers of the evolution, nucleosynthesis and dust production that occurred during the preceding asymptotic giant branch (AGB) phase. We aim to build a bridge to link the PN phase to the evolution of their progenitors, trying to better understand the dust production and mass-loss mechanism during the final AGB phase. Here, we present a comprehensive study of nine Large Magellanic Cloud (LMC) spherical or elliptical PNe whose observations from the ultraviolet (UV) through the infrared (IR) are available in the literature. We characterize nebulae and CSs, finding information as the amount of gas that makes up the nebula and the dust that surrounds the CS, necessary to reconstruct the evolutionary history of mass-loss and dust production. We compare the observed energy distribution of the selected PNe to that obtained from photoionization modeling, taking into account the presence of dust. The physical and chemical parameters of the central stars are then compared with the predictions from the evolutionary tracks. We characterized the source, assigning to each CS a progenitor, early-AGB mass. We estimated the mass of the nebula and the dust-to-gas ratio. For 5 objects, we find evidence for the presence of a near-IR bump, which would be connected to the presence of hot dust.

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arXiv2023

A study of carbon-rich post-AGB stars in the Milky Way to understand the production of carbonaceous dust from evolved stars

The goal of this study is to reconstruct the evolution and the dust formation processes during the final AGB phases of a sample of carbon-rich, post-AGB Galactic stars, with particular attention to the determination of the past mass-loss history. We study the IR excess of sources classified as single stars by means of dust formation modelling where dust grains form and grow in a static wind and expand from the surface of the star. The method is applied to various evolutionary stages of the final AGB phase of stars with different masses and metallicities. The detailed analysis of the SED of the sources investigated, which included the derivation of the luminosities and the dust properties, is used to infer information on mass loss, efficiency of dust formation, and wind dynamics. We confirm previous results that most of the investigated sources descend from low-mass(M<1.5Msun) progenitors that reached the C-star stage. Metal-poor carbon stars are characterised by higher IR excesses with respect to their more metal-rich counterparts of similar luminosity due to a higher surface carbon-to-oxygen excess. This work confirms previous conclusions that more luminous stars descending from higher-mass progenitors are generally more opaque due to shorter evolutionary timescales that place the dust shell closer to the central object. We also find that the mass-loss rate at the tip of the AGB phase of metal-rich low-mass carbon stars is approximately 1-1.5x10^-5Msun/yr, whereas in the metal-poor domain M~4-5x10^-5Msun/yr is required. These results indicate the need for an upwards revision of the theoretical mass-loss rates of low-mass carbon stars in the available literature, which in turn require a revised determination of carbon dust yields by AGB stars.

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arXiv2022

Understanding dust production and mass loss on the AGB phase using post-AGB stars in the Magellanic Clouds

Aims: We aim to understand the variation of the surface chemistry that occurs during the AGB phase by analysing results from observations of single post-AGB stars in the Magellanic Clouds. We also aim at reconstruct dust formation processes, that are active in the circumstellar envelope of AGB stars. Methods: We study likely single post-AGB sources in the Magellanic Clouds that exhibit a double-peaked (shell-type) spectral energy distribution (SED). We interpret their SED by comparing with results from radiative transfer calculations, to derive the luminosity and the dust content of the individual sources. Additionally, we compare the observationally derived stellar parameters and the photospheric chemical abundances of the target sample with results from stellar evolution modelling of AGB and post-AGB stars. This allows for the characterization of the individual sources in terms of initial mass and formation epoch of the progenitors. Results: We find that amongst our target sample of 13 likely single post-AGB stars with shell-type SED, 8 objects are carbon stars descending from ~1-2.5 Msun progenitors. 5 of the 13 objects are of lower mass, descending from M<1 Msun stars. Based on the dust mineralogy, we find that these 5 stars are surrounded by silicate dust, and thus failed to become carbon stars. The dust optical depth and the luminosity of the stars are correlated, owing to the faster evolutionary time-scale brighter stars, which makes the dusty layer to be closer to the central object. From our detailed analysis of the SEDs, we deduce that the dust currently observed around post-AGB stars was released after the onset of the central star contraction and an increase in the effective temperature to ~3500-4000 K.

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arXiv2022

Luminosities and masses of single Galactic Post-Asymptotic Giant Branch (Post-AGB) stars with distances from $Gaia$ EDR3: The revelation of an $s$-process diversity

Post-AGB stars are exquisite probes of AGB nucleosynthesis. However, the previous lack of accurate distances jeopardised comparison with theoretical AGB models. The $Gaia$ Early Data Release 3 ($Gaia$ EDR3) has now allowed for a breakthrough in this research landscape. In this study, we focus on a sample of single Galactic post-AGBs for which chemical abundance studies were completed. We combined photometry with geometric distances to carry out a spectral energy distribution (SED) analysis and derive accurate luminosities. We subsequently determined their positions on the HR-diagram and compared this with theoretical post-AGB evolutionary tracks. While most objects are in the post-AGB phase of evolution, we found a subset of low-luminosity objects that are likely to be in the post-horizontal branch phase of evolution, similar to AGB-manqué objects found in globular clusters. Additionally, we also investigated the observed bi-modality in the $s$-process enrichment of Galactic post-AGB single stars of similar Teff, and metallicities. This bi-modality was expected to be a direct consequence of luminosity with the $s$-process rich objects having evolved further on the AGB. However, we find that the two populations: the $s$-process enriched and non-enriched, have similar luminosities (and hence initial masses), revealing an intriguing chemical diversity. For a given initial mass and metallicity, AGB nucleosynthesis appears inhomogeneous and sensitive to other factors which could be mass-loss, along with convective and non-convective mixing mechanisms. Modelling individual objects in detail will be needed to investigate which parameters and processes dominate the photospheric chemical enrichment in these stars.

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arXiv2022

HST observations of the globular cluster NGC 6402 (M14) and its peculiar multiple populations

We present Hubble Space Telescope (HST) photometric results for NGC 6402, a highly reddened very luminous Galactic globular cluster (GC). Recent spectroscopic observations of its red giant stars have shown a quite peculiar behavior in the chemistry of its multiple populations. These results have prompted UV and optical HST observations aimed at obtaining the cluster's "Chromosome map" (ChM), an efficient tool to classify GCs and characterize their multiple populations. We find that the discontinuity in the abundance distributions of O, Mg, Al and Na inferred from spectroscopy is more nuanced in the ChM, which is mostly sensitive to nitrogen. Nevertheless, photometry in optical bands reveals a double main sequence, indicating a discontinuity in the helium content of the populations. The population with the largest chemical anomalies (extreme) peaks at a helium mass fraction Y~0.31. This helium content is consistent with results from the analysis of the distribution of horizontal-branch stars and the spectrophotometry of the red giants. The ChM and the color magnitude diagrams are compared with those in NGC 2808, a prototype GC with helium abundances up to Y > 0.35, and both confirm that NGC 6402 does not host stellar populations with such extreme helium content. Further, the ChM reveals the presence of a group of stars with larger metallicity, thus indicating that NGC 6402 is a Type II cluster. The modalities of formation of the multiple populations in NGC 6402 are briefly surveyed, with main attention on the Asymptotic Giant Branch and Supermassive star models, and on possible clusters' merging.

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arXiv2021

New Post-AGB star models as tools to understand AGB evolution and nucleosynthesis

We study a sample of post-AGB stars in the Galaxy, with known surface chemical composition and s-process enrichment. The recent determination of the luminosities of these sources, based on Gaia parallaxes, allows for the fist time a deep investigation of Galactic post-AGB stars, with the possibility of characterising the individual objects in terms of mass, chemical composition and age of the progenitors. To this aim we used available evolutionary sequences of AGB stars, extended to the post-AGB phase, complemented by new models, specifically calculated for the present study. The combined knowledge of the surface carbon and of the luminosity proves the most valuable indicator of the previous history of the star, particularly for what regards the efficiency of the various mechanisms able to alter the surface chemical composition and the growth of the core mass. This kind of analysis allows dissecting different classes of stars, such as low-mass objects, that evolved as M-type stars for the whole AGB lifetime, carbon stars, massive AGB stars that experienced hot bottom burning. The potentialities of this approach to shed new light on still debated issues related to the AGB evolution are also commented.

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arXiv2020

Gas and dust from metal-rich AGB stars

Context: Stars evolving through the asymptotic giant branch (AGB) phase provide significant feedback to their host system, in form of both gas enriched in nuclear-burning products and dust formed in their winds, which they eject into the interstellar medium. Therefore AGB stars are an essential ingredient for the chemical evolution of the Milky Way and other galaxies. Aims: We study AGB models with super-solar metallicity, to complete our large database, so far extending from metal-poor to solar chemical compositions. We provide chemical yields for masses in the range 1-8 Msun and metallicities Z=0.03 and Z=0.04. We also study dust production in this metallicity domain. Methods: We calculated the evolutionary sequences from the pre main sequence through the whole AGB phase. We follow the variation of the surface chemical composition to calculate the chemical yields of the various species and model dust formation in the winds to determine the dust production rate and the total dust mass produced by each star during the AGB phase. Results: The physical and chemical evolution of the star is sensitive to the initial mass: M> 3Msun stars experience hot bottom burning, whereas the surface chemistry of the lower mass counterparts is altered only by third dredge-up. The carbon-star phase is reached by 2.5-3.5Msun stars of metallicity Z=0.03, whereas all the Z=0.04 stars (except the 2.5 Msun) remain O-rich for the whole AGB phase. Most of the dust produced by metal-rich AGBs is in the form of silicates particles. The total mass of dust produced increases with the mass of the star, reaching ~ 0.012 Msun for 8Msun stars.

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arXiv2020

Origin of large meteoritic SiC stardust grains in metal-rich AGB stars

Stardust grains that originated in ancient stars and supernovae are recovered from meteorites and carry the detailed composition of their astronomical sites of origin. We present evidence that the majority of large ($μ$m-sized) meteoritic silicon carbide (SiC) grains formed in C-rich asymptotic giant branch (AGB) stars that were more metal-rich than the Sun. In the framework of the slow neutron-captures (the s process) that occurs in AGB stars the lower-than-solar 88Sr/86Sr isotopic ratios measured in the large SiC grains can only be accompanied by Ce/Y elemental ratios that are also lower than solar, and predominately observed in metal-rich barium stars - the binary companions of AGB stars. Such an origin suggests that these large grains represent the material from high-metallicity AGB stars needed to explain the s-process nucleosynthesis variations observed in bulk meteorites (Ek et al. 2020). In the outflows of metal-rich, C-rich AGB stars SiC grains are predicted to be small ($\simeq$ 0.2 $μ$m-sized); large ($\simeq$ $μ$m-sized) SiC grains can grow if the number of dust seeds is two to three orders of magnitude lower than the standard value of $10^{-13}$ times the number of H atoms. We therefore predict that with increasing metallicity the number of dust seeds might decrease, resulting in the production of larger SiC grains.

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arXiv2020

The Sixteenth Data Release of the Sloan Digital Sky Surveys: First Release from the APOGEE-2 Southern Survey and Full Release of eBOSS Spectra

This paper documents the sixteenth data release (DR16) from the Sloan Digital Sky Surveys; the fourth and penultimate from the fourth phase (SDSS-IV). This is the first release of data from the southern hemisphere survey of the Apache Point Observatory Galactic Evolution Experiment 2 (APOGEE-2); new data from APOGEE-2 North are also included. DR16 is also notable as the final data release for the main cosmological program of the Extended Baryon Oscillation Spectroscopic Survey (eBOSS), and all raw and reduced spectra from that project are released here. DR16 also includes all the data from the Time Domain Spectroscopic Survey (TDSS) and new data from the SPectroscopic IDentification of ERosita Survey (SPIDERS) programs, both of which were co-observed on eBOSS plates. DR16 has no new data from the Mapping Nearby Galaxies at Apache Point Observatory (MaNGA) survey (or the MaNGA Stellar Library "MaStar"). We also preview future SDSS-V operations (due to start in 2020), and summarize plans for the final SDSS-IV data release (DR17).

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arXiv2020

Homogeneous Analysis of Globular Clusters from the APOGEE Survey with the BACCHUS Code. II. The Southern Clusters and Overview

We investigate the Fe, C, N, O, Mg, Al, Si, K, Ca, Ce and Nd abundances of 2283 red giant stars in 31 globular clusters from high-resolution spectra observed in both the northern and southern hemisphere by the SDSS-IV APOGEE-2 survey. This unprecedented homogeneous dataset, largest to date, allows us to discuss the intrinsic Fe spread, the shape and statistics of Al-Mg and N-C anticorrelations as a function of cluster mass, luminosity, age and metallicity for all 31 clusters. We find that the Fe spread does not depend on these parameters within our uncertainties including cluster metallicity, contradicting earlier observations. We do not confirm the metallicity variations previously observed in M22 and NGC 1851. Some clusters show a bimodal Al distribution, while others exhibit a continuous distribution as has been previously reported in the literature. We confirm more than 2 populations in $ω$ Cen and NGC 6752, and find new ones in M79. We discuss the scatter of Al by implementing a correction to the standard chemical evolution of Al in the Milky Way. After correction, its dependence on cluster mass is increased suggesting that the extent of Al enrichment as a function of mass was suppressed before the correction. We observe a turnover in the Mg-Al anticorrelation at very low Mg in $ω$ Cen, similar to the pattern previously reported in M15 and M92. $ω$ Cen may also have a weak K-Mg anticorrelation, and if confirmed, it would be only the third cluster known to show such a pattern.

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arXiv2020

The Lazy Giants: APOGEE Abundances Reveal Low Star Formation Efficiencies in the Magellanic Clouds

We report the first APOGEE metallicities and alpha-element abundances measured for 3600 red giant stars spanning a large radial range of both the Large (LMC) and Small Magellanic Clouds (SMC), the largest Milky Way dwarf galaxies. Our sample is an order of magnitude larger than that of previous studies, and extends to much larger radial distances. These are the first results presented that make use of the newly installed Southern APOGEE instrument on the du Pont telescope at Las Campanas Observatory. Our unbiased sample of the LMC spans a large range in metallicity, from [Fe/H]=-0.2 to very metal-poor stars with [Fe/H]=-2.5, the most metal-poor Magellanic Clouds (MCs) stars detected to date. The LMC [alpha/Fe]-[Fe/H] distribution is very flat over a large metallicity range, but rises by ~0.1 dex at -1.0<[Fe/H]<-0.5. We interpret this as a sign of the known recent increase in MC star-formation activity, and are able to reproduce the pattern with a chemical evolution model that includes a recent "starburst". At the metal-poor end, we capture the increase of [alpha/Fe] with decreasing [Fe/H], and constrain the "alpha-knee" to [Fe/H]<-2.2 in both MCs, implying a low star-formation efficiency of ~0.01 Gyr^-1. The MC knees are more metal poor than those of less massive Milky Way (MW) dwarf galaxies such as Fornax, Sculptor, or Sagittarius. One possible interpretation is that the MCs formed in a lower-density environment than the MW, a hypothesis that is consistent with the paradigm that the MCs fell into the MW's gravitational potential only recently.

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arXiv2018

Self-enrichment in Globular Clusters: the extreme He-rich population of NGC 2808

Almost several decades after the discovery of the first multiple populations in galactic globular clusters (GC) the debate on their formation is still extremely current and NGC2808 remains one of the best benchmark to test any scenario for their origin and the evolution. In this work we focus on the chemical composition of stars belonging to the extreme He-rich population populated by stars with the most extreme abundance of Mg, Al, Na, O and Si. We checked whether the most recent measures are consistent with the AGB yields of stars of $6.5-8~M_{\odot}$. These stars evolve on time scales of the order of 40-60 Myr and eject matter strongly enriched in helium, owing to a deep penetration of the surface convective zone down to regions touched by CNO nucleosynthesis occurring after the core He-burning phase. Since the big unknown of the AGB phase of massive stars is the mass loss, we propose a new approch that takes into account the effects of the radiation pressure on dust particles. We show that this more realistic description is able to reproduce the observed abundances of Mg, Al, Na and Si in these extreme stars. The large spread in the oxygen abundances is explained by invoking deep mixing during the RGB phase. It will be possible to check this work hypothesis as soon as the oxygen measurements of the main sequence stars of NGC2808 will be available.

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